Curse

Jetdoc · Jan 14, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Keithark

Sick of this argument..there is a "need" if you like the way one armor looks better than the other then you "need" it to make the game more enjoyable for you. Do you only wear clothes from Wal-Mart? Do you (or your parents) drive a 30 year old Honda Accord 4 cylinder? Do you live in a 1 bedroom apartment and only drink water and eat beans and cornbread? Because that is all you "need" to get by right so why would anyone want anything better? /end sarcasm

If you don't want to wear clothes from Wal-Mart, drive a 30 year old Honda Accord or live in a 1 bedroom apartment...

...but want to wear clothes from Gucci, drive a Ferrari and live in a mansion...

I'll let you put two and two together.

Bryant Again · Jan 14, 2008, 09:05 PM // 21:05

To the OP: You've beaten the game. That's really all there is to it.

agrios · Jan 14, 2008, 09:07 PM // 21:07

The amount of money you want is proportional to your vanity needs. Coveted stuff - most of them aint really that good - needs loads of cash. But you can do fine with collectors weapons and max armor from traders.

As already said by others, you dont have to wear Armani or drive a fancy car to succeed in life.

Many korean games, like Lineage 2, demand you to be insanely rich ingame to have equipment at least decent with your level. GW is an utopia compared to them.

Ctb · Jan 14, 2008, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Those guys come in all ages, but I sure hope that's not what is motivating the guys in GW. I hope their armor is all about aesthetics or at the very least epeens.

Hey. Some people need to be the alpha male in whatever sad little way they can manage.

Keithark · Jan 14, 2008, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by Jetdoc

If you don't want to wear clothes from Wal-Mart, drive a 30 year old Honda Accord or live in a 1 bedroom apartment...

...but want to wear clothes from Gucci, drive a Ferrari and live in a mansion...

I'll let you put two and two together.

I guess when you put 2 and 2 together you got 6 because you are trying to argue with me by making my point. Before all the farming nerfs if you wanted the nice things you could farm and get them. Now you can only get very lucky with a rare drop or a good run of b-day mini's to make money. To equate to real life as in our posts, the way it is now you have to be poor and buy the cheap get by with it stuff or win the lottery there is no "work for it" option in the game as it is. That is the problem.

Jetdoc · Jan 14, 2008, 10:17 PM // 22:17

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Originally Posted by Keithark

INow you can only get very lucky with a rare drop or a good run of b-day mini's to make money. there is no "work for it" option in the game as it is. That is the problem.

Ummm...no. If you believe that the only way to make good sums of money in the game is to get lucky, then you're mistaken.

For example, I've shown before that by doing every quest and every mission in Factions, you can make in excess of 50K simply from the mission/quest rewards. And that's not even counting the drops you get from doing so.

That's not farming. That's not being lucky. That's simply playing the game.

If you want the insanely elite stuff (e.g. certain minipets, the very very few rare skinned weapons, etc.), then of course you're going to have to save money over a longer period of time. Some stuff is simply out of the reach of the ordinary person (as in real life), such as the Polar Bear.

lilDeath · Jan 15, 2008, 12:32 PM // 12:32

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Originally Posted by Torqual

There's an easy solution to this. Try rebalancing by taking some points out of Leadership and, if necessary, Spear Mastery. Then buy a rune of Superior Motivation for 100g. Problem solved, surely.

Or do I misunderstand?

Epic!!!
The OP was begging for it.

OT - Just change your style, play a new char, do something different.
I quite often find that just changing a playing style or doing something completely out of routine, makes for a nice improvement.
Lastly, you do not need to do anything. You are not pressurised to make use of every single bit of time you have available, or to get all the elite stuff to get somewhere....
at least not like with WoW where you pay for the time or need that uber item to pwn somebody.

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Originally Posted by Personette

By sugar daddy I mean a guy who gets his kicks off of dolling someone else up, decking out a woman in clothes and shoes and handbags or whatever at his own expense.

I guess that it is generally the case that a sugar daddy is compensating for some personal lack (maybe age, maybe lack of personal attractiveness?) in order to hook up with a woman who is younger or better looking...

But I'm thinking more of a mindset, which I see a lot here with various guys and their GW characters, of "Look how nicely I treat her, look how pretty she is, I give this girl all the best..." It's sort of gloaty, sort of paternal, sort of sugar-daddy.

I find this a humorous comparison, and couldn't be more wrong, imo...
Quite often, the people that spend time making their characters fashionable (i.e. "dolling them up" or "pretty"), look impeccable irl too. That's their personality.
If there are people that does it the way you describe, then they are a bit off, so to speak...

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Originally Posted by Dkraftwerk

Today I'm wearing a monochromatic brown argyle merino wool sweater over a white and brown striped long sleeve shirt, with basic slightly distressed Levi's jeans and chocolate brown and mocha colored diesel shoes. Minus the shoes I spent under 40 bucks on the whole outfit.

So does that break the stereotype?

...and sorry to go off topic.

Styling!

sterbenx2 · Jan 15, 2008, 01:08 PM // 13:08

Take a break! I've taken two extended breaks. The first one lasted about a month while I played Dungeon Siege 2. I couldn't afford high speed net at the time and dial up is just blah so I took an invoulantary break.

The second break lasted almost 3 monthes. I took it cuz I was burnt. Even the release of Nightfall and introduction of heroes didn't hold me. Then I logged in one day to pass off a few items to a friend and he asked me to a couple missions with him, so I did and have been hooked since.

Now I have my GF playing and no plans to leave anytime soon. Hangin til GW2.

Breaks are probably the best thing. Every game gets old eventually. I've taken breaks of a year or more from Morrowind but every once in a while I get the urge and i play it like a fiend. lol. Take the break, you may come back, you may not. Its a game.

sterbenx2 · Jan 15, 2008, 01:08 PM // 13:08

dbl post.. oops

william1975 · Jan 15, 2008, 01:52 PM // 13:52

If you finish the game, compete it in normal mode and hard mode, finish all the quests and elite areas, thent here is no more reason to play other that to socialise have fun playing areas or to max titles.

The game si designed to elvel of at level 20 be able to use max weapons and armour cheaply, but caters for thsoe that like to spend gold on items that do nothing other than look more fancy. That is not integral tot he game so you dont need to do it.

If you are grinding for the fancy items that dont boost your characters ability to play and dont enjoy the grinding dont play. it as simple as that.

The designers did not design the game so that you stayied in it for months on end they expect you to stop for months at a time. so dont play when youdont like it

Karia Mirniman · Jan 15, 2008, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

There is no power in how one looks in this game only in how one plays.

Take a second look at those poor vagrants hanging around Old Ascalon. One of them may be able to swing a sword.

a community service message sponsored by 'Vabbi'.

iontichy · Jan 15, 2008, 05:19 PM // 17:19

I think I owe an explanation. The thread has gone quite wild, which I find amusing.

Now, the reason I want that stuff is simple. Its there. And it looks way better than the normal stuff. Sure, its optional. But so is mountain climbing.

I guess I'm somewhat of an obsessive compulsive character type. At least thats what my friends say. Which means I lean towards overcommitment. But thats not the issue here.

The issue is, that this is NOT real life. In real life, some things are simply rare, not freely available, restricted. They tend to be expensive. I should know. My company provides a special kind of service people pay a lot of money for. Only a few people can do the job, so I sure know why its expensive.

But this is a VIRTUAL world. There is no real economy at work here. And this is where my comprehension problem comes from. WHY are those sets so damn expensive? Why is their availability tied to money, which takes ages to grind together?

I have a counter proposal for ANet though. Instead of regulating the availability of elite armor sets through money (which furthers the culture of sweatshops who grind the money together and sell it on the web), tie the availability of armor into the game more.

For instance: introduce a couple of elite missions. Only solving those in hard mode unlocks the elite armor. This way it would MEAN something if you wore that stuff. It means you handled some hard stuff.

Currently, anyone who can use ebay can get the credits. The existing approach facilitates trading of game money for real money. On a side note: did you know that money can, and probably is, laundered through mechanisms like this? A-Net would do themselves a big favor if they devaluated Platinum.

Puritans Aid · Jan 15, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

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Originally Posted by iontichy

Hi all,

after playing this game for some time, I'm experiencing a major drop in motivation. It seems that you need ridiculous amounts of monetary units to play this game in the long run, especially to get elite armor sets and other nice stuff.

Now for my basic problem. This is supposed to be a game, right? Which means: something you do in your free time to relax, have some fun, right?

So why do I find myself stuck with another job, grinding for money like an idiot in order to be able to enjoy whats left of the game? Why does ANet turn this into such a major pain in the @ss while it could be fun? Someone enlighten me on this point please. As much as I like GW, this aspect is pissing me off so massively, I'm headed for deinstall. Fast.

I have found, that if you just work your way thru the game with noob armor, and dont buy anything at all, then when you beat the game, do it again in hard mode, you will be quite rich enough to buy all the armor/weapons etc, just shortly after you beat it all the second time in hard mode, that you ever wanted.

Also, doing the entire game with a starter wand and lvl 5 armor, makes it more of a challenge, and there for more fun.

LOL just kidding, ebay 50k, get a run to droks, buy max armor and a max perfect weapon, then later find out that your accoutns banned because you bought money, which you thought was ok, because theres 1000 people in town advertising sites for this, and then be very upset that you wasted 200 dollars between games/gold.. and quit gaming forever, and take up spamming forums simply for the fact you have nothing better to do, and do stupid stuff like seeing if you can get yourself on every post on the front page, and then perm/ban from guru,

if that happens you will probalby run a proxy, and make another account, and do it all agian, just because you cant play guild wars.

FUN!

Ctb · Jan 15, 2008, 06:08 PM // 18:08

Because some people enjoy repetition and grinding through nonsensical or pointless errands, so ANET created something for those people.

Really, what do you want to hear? That part of the game clearly was not created for you, so don't play it. If you want to be rewarded for your skill at the game's mechanics, grind through hard mode or go get all the missions and bonuses done in all the chapters. You'll get titles you can display to prove that you spent enormous gobs of time crushing your opponents, just like these other people get armor they can display to prove that they spent enormous gobs of time farming mountain trolls.

Puritans Aid · Jan 15, 2008, 06:21 PM // 18:21

One thing nice about guild wars, anyone can play the game cause its basics are easy, and anyone can play it however they want. Play just thru missions and be done, or play for every title known to A NET and get my guild hall smells of rich mahogany, or cheat till you get banned, or bot, or whatever, its all good in guild wars!